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Moens, David B
I think I’m missing some important step trying to download Axis2/C 1.6.0. I’ve tried multiple mirrors and none of the download links for 1.6.0 seem to be valid. I have problem getting at 1.5.0 (haven’t tried earlier).
 
Also, I’m trying to download to attempt a port to OpenVMS Itanium. Has anyone else done this or similar and have any tips or caveats?
 
Dave
 
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Alex Mantaut
Hi Dave,
            Yes, the links on the page seem to be broken :( Can someone fix them??
             If you want 1.6 you can download it from the svn repository at:

 https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/axis/axis2/c/core/branches/c/1.6.x/1.6.0/c/


Regards


On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Moens, David B <[hidden email]> wrote:
I think I’m missing some important step trying to download Axis2/C 1.6.0. I’ve tried multiple mirrors and none of the download links for 1.6.0 seem to be valid. I have problem getting at 1.5.0 (haven’t tried earlier).
 
Also, I’m trying to download to attempt a port to OpenVMS Itanium. Has anyone else done this or similar and have any tips or caveats?
 
Dave
 



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Stadelmann Josef-2

Hi Dave

 

My port is based on a OLD axis2/C-1.1, zlib, libxml2, it is some 8 years old!

At that time directory structures were not as established as today.

 

you need zlib and libxml2 as well and you have to build test and run them first.

i.e. libxml2 has a lot of test and test resources and they run to a very large degree.

Good to know they run as many thing is based on it later.

 

When I started with this  port, nothing was there, and I was developing all the mmk description

files myself.

 

So - You need a good understanding about mmk description files and in particular about macros

to use and their limits in mmk.

 

Then you start to build zlib, then libxml2, then axutil, then axiom and then the engine modules etc.

all controlled by 2 levels of mmk make files.

 

Level 1 mmk make files coordinates the build sequences of the subsystems, while

Level 2 mmk make files does the fine granular job of controlling the build of the various subsystems.

 

NOTE: mmk is not make or nmake or anything like that, and in certain aspects tricky to use.

So to begin you need your running copy of mmk on ITANIUM OpenVMS as well.

 

Do you have it?

 

If you can build your axis2-server component, you still need to fully debug it.

So the server is debugged, but loading modules and services, is very special on OpenVMS

as a sharable image is not the same as a DLL, and once loaded, can't be unloaded.

So there is a need to still do some more investigation and debugging.

 

This is as it is because we used only zlib, libxml2, axutil and axiom.exe (all shares) in our legacy server code.

 

And our main service is based on axis2-1.6.1/java which then passes a large OM (SOAP/XML) via a HP WSIT 3.5 kit,

as xml string into the legacy part, an out of process server. in the legacy C/ PASCAL part we re-constructs

(deserializes) the received xml string into a axiom OM (SOAP/XML) to be parsed and used by our legacy server

wrapper code.

 

In the next year, I plan to upgrade to a newer version of axis2/C, but right now, that is not an issue for me.

 

So let me know if you like that way to go or we can discuss what you like to do, maybe there are other solutions.

 

Josef

 

 

 

Von: Alex Mantaut [mailto:[hidden email]]
Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Mai 2013 20:24
An: Apache AXIS C User List
Betreff: Re: Downloading Axis2/c 1.6.0 - Also, OpenVMS anyone?

 

Hi Dave,

            Yes, the links on the page seem to be broken :( Can someone fix them??

             If you want 1.6 you can download it from the svn repository at:

 https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/axis/axis2/c/core/branches/c/1.6.x/1.6.0/c/

Regards

 

On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Moens, David B <[hidden email]> wrote:

I think I’m missing some important step trying to download Axis2/C 1.6.0. I’ve tried multiple mirrors and none of the download links for 1.6.0 seem to be valid. I have problem getting at 1.5.0 (haven’t tried earlier).

 

Also, I’m trying to download to attempt a port to OpenVMS Itanium. Has anyone else done this or similar and have any tips or caveats?

 

Dave

 




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Moens, David B

Josef,

Thanks very much for your detailed response.

 

Your description of mmk is very enlightening. I was honestly considering bypassing the make files completely and simply compile with a DCL script. I have been reviewing the various config files to see what macros are described there, which one are actually used, and determine the appropriate values.

 

We have also been deciding whether to create a shareable image vs. an object library. The EXE will be more efficient and possibly easier to upgrade, while the OLB will be simpler to produce in the short run. We might even do a phase 1/2 approach.

 

Your mention of Axis2/Java on OpenVMS is very interesting. We are investigating using Axis2/c due to concerns about integrating Axis2/Java into our legacy application. Our scenario is to have Axis2 clients talking to .Net web services. We have no immediate plans to wrap our legacy services. We have done a successful simple test of the technology, but we have significant concerns about developing in Java on OpenVMS and using JNI to integrate with Java. A particular area of concern is trapping thrown errors on the Java side and cleanly returning them to the legacy code without losing the instance of the Java VM. Your experience would be helpful, as perhaps we are being too cautious.

 

So far, it appears our choices are Axis2/Java, Axis2/C, and gSoap. They each have plusses and minuses. IHP had provided Axis2/C as well as Axis2/Java, I would have jumped on Axis2/C and be done. I haven’t found any other options, even when scanning for commercial solutions delivering OpenVMS Web Service Client capability.

 

Regards,

Dave

 

From: Stadelmann Josef [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 5:44 AM
To: Apache AXIS C User List
Subject: AW: Downloading Axis2/c 1.6.0 - Also, OpenVMS anyone?

 

Hi Dave

 

My port is based on a OLD axis2/C-1.1, zlib, libxml2, it is some 8 years old!

At that time directory structures were not as established as today.

 

you need zlib and libxml2 as well and you have to build test and run them first.

i.e. libxml2 has a lot of test and test resources and they run to a very large degree.

Good to know they run as many thing is based on it later.

 

When I started with this  port, nothing was there, and I was developing all the mmk description

files myself.

 

So - You need a good understanding about mmk description files and in particular about macros

to use and their limits in mmk.

 

Then you start to build zlib, then libxml2, then axutil, then axiom and then the engine modules etc.

all controlled by 2 levels of mmk make files.

 

Level 1 mmk make files coordinates the build sequences of the subsystems, while

Level 2 mmk make files does the fine granular job of controlling the build of the various subsystems.

 

NOTE: mmk is not make or nmake or anything like that, and in certain aspects tricky to use.

So to begin you need your running copy of mmk on ITANIUM OpenVMS as well.

 

Do you have it?

 

If you can build your axis2-server component, you still need to fully debug it.

So the server is debugged, but loading modules and services, is very special on OpenVMS

as a sharable image is not the same as a DLL, and once loaded, can't be unloaded.

So there is a need to still do some more investigation and debugging.

 

This is as it is because we used only zlib, libxml2, axutil and axiom.exe (all shares) in our legacy server code.

 

And our main service is based on axis2-1.6.1/java which then passes a large OM (SOAP/XML) via a HP WSIT 3.5 kit,

as xml string into the legacy part, an out of process server. in the legacy C/ PASCAL part we re-constructs

(deserializes) the received xml string into a axiom OM (SOAP/XML) to be parsed and used by our legacy server

wrapper code.

 

In the next year, I plan to upgrade to a newer version of axis2/C, but right now, that is not an issue for me.

 

So let me know if you like that way to go or we can discuss what you like to do, maybe there are other solutions.

 

Josef

 

 

 

Von: Alex Mantaut [[hidden email]]
Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Mai 2013 20:24
An: Apache AXIS C User List
Betreff: Re: Downloading Axis2/c 1.6.0 - Also, OpenVMS anyone?

 

Hi Dave,

            Yes, the links on the page seem to be broken :( Can someone fix them??

             If you want 1.6 you can download it from the svn repository at:

 https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/axis/axis2/c/core/branches/c/1.6.x/1.6.0/c/

Regards

 

On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Moens, David B <[hidden email]> wrote:

I think I’m missing some important step trying to download Axis2/C 1.6.0. I’ve tried multiple mirrors and none of the download links for 1.6.0 seem to be valid. I have problem getting at 1.5.0 (haven’t tried earlier).

 

Also, I’m trying to download to attempt a port to OpenVMS Itanium. Has anyone else done this or similar and have any tips or caveats?

 

Dave

 




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Stadelmann Josef-2

Hi Dave,

 

I would not count too much on a ongoing development of axis2/c; just my own thoughts.

It is also said that the axis2 server is not yet a full production server; that was said also 6 years ago.

But porting Axutil and axiom allows you to have OM models in C and with a call you serialize it to an XML string.

 

If you take a JAVA approach for web services and use AXIS2-1.6.2, TOMCAT 7, JDK-1.6 with endorsements to JDK 7 jars as needed;

So you're up to date and it's open source too.

 

AXIS2/J supports modern stuff like JAXWS / JAXB etc.

TOMACT which rusn this AXIS2 engine as a servlet might be swapped by a different AS i.e. JBOSS;

maybe you go for Metro, the glass fish web service stack claiming to integrate best with WCF servers/clients. (not yet done here)

 

To go from JAVA to C Code is as easy as reading HP WSIT (Web Service Integration Toolkit) ;-)

This toolkit is used since years at our site and is very potential for legacy integration;

Thanks to HP!

HP WSIT is not to be mixed up with ORACLEs WSIT which is based on METRO.

 

Using HP's free available WSIT, forces you to create an API to your legacy code, a thing you have to do anyway, even when you go for axis2/c and legacy integration ;-)

 

With this API built first, you then take the obj2idl tool of WSIT and generate a WSIT IDL file from your OBJ files containing the API.

This forms the basis for your next generation step which takes you to generate idl2java. Idl2java creates you all you need;

 

You get nice java beans. And by configuring WSIT, you can have either a IN-Process-Server (Java and C in one bunch) or an

Out-of-process-server (what we have for various reasons). Out-of-process establishes a process on a per user session basis if you do the right approach

in axis2 java which is all around scope="soapsession" for i.e. state-full objects.

 

If you're mature with this special WSIT-IDL, you can omit obj2idl and just write or generate your WSIT IDL yourself. Velocity helps here.

That is what we did 8 years ago, because obj2idl is only working on Itanium OpenVMS (maybe that has changed since, HP support to know it!).

 

If that is done you have almost a little example client generated talking to your java-beans, and via java-beans to the generated server.C-code

which forms part of a wrapper. Server.C routines then call your legacy via the API you developed.

 

I strongly suggest to take WSIT and give it a try and only then decide.

 

Given you then go with WSIT, you have generated java beans which you call from within your axis2 java service code.

 

If you build your axis2 jave service code with JAXWS annotation, your getting a service you can easy interrogate i.e. in Visual Studio doing

an "ADD SERVICE REFERENCE" and the generated stubs in C#.NET or VB.NET joint with WCF 4.0 allows you to build very modern clients.

 

OpenVMS side – if you go with out of process servers, you can debug/keep and then connect to a running legacy server and do debugging.

if you finish, disconnect and let the server go. Its just elegant and we do it daily.

 

Josef

 

Von: Moens, David B [mailto:[hidden email]]
Gesendet: Montag, 13. Mai 2013 17:13
An: Apache AXIS C User List
Betreff: RE: Downloading Axis2/c 1.6.0 - Also, OpenVMS anyone?

 

Josef,

Thanks very much for your detailed response.

 

Your description of mmk is very enlightening. I was honestly considering bypassing the make files completely and simply compile with a DCL script. I have been reviewing the various config files to see what macros are described there, which one are actually used, and determine the appropriate values.

 

We have also been deciding whether to create a shareable image vs. an object library. The EXE will be more efficient and possibly easier to upgrade, while the OLB will be simpler to produce in the short run. We might even do a phase 1/2 approach.

 

Your mention of Axis2/Java on OpenVMS is very interesting. We are investigating using Axis2/c due to concerns about integrating Axis2/Java into our legacy application. Our scenario is to have Axis2 clients talking to .Net web services. We have no immediate plans to wrap our legacy services. We have done a successful simple test of the technology, but we have significant concerns about developing in Java on OpenVMS and using JNI to integrate with Java. A particular area of concern is trapping thrown errors on the Java side and cleanly returning them to the legacy code without losing the instance of the Java VM. Your experience would be helpful, as perhaps we are being too cautious.

 

So far, it appears our choices are Axis2/Java, Axis2/C, and gSoap. They each have plusses and minuses. IHP had provided Axis2/C as well as Axis2/Java, I would have jumped on Axis2/C and be done. I haven’t found any other options, even when scanning for commercial solutions delivering OpenVMS Web Service Client capability.

 

Regards,

Dave

 

From: Stadelmann Josef [[hidden email]]
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 5:44 AM
To: Apache AXIS C User List
Subject: AW: Downloading Axis2/c 1.6.0 - Also, OpenVMS anyone?

 

Hi Dave

 

My port is based on a OLD axis2/C-1.1, zlib, libxml2, it is some 8 years old!

At that time directory structures were not as established as today.

 

you need zlib and libxml2 as well and you have to build test and run them first.

i.e. libxml2 has a lot of test and test resources and they run to a very large degree.

Good to know they run as many thing is based on it later.

 

When I started with this  port, nothing was there, and I was developing all the mmk description

files myself.

 

So - You need a good understanding about mmk description files and in particular about macros

to use and their limits in mmk.

 

Then you start to build zlib, then libxml2, then axutil, then axiom and then the engine modules etc.

all controlled by 2 levels of mmk make files.

 

Level 1 mmk make files coordinates the build sequences of the subsystems, while

Level 2 mmk make files does the fine granular job of controlling the build of the various subsystems.

 

NOTE: mmk is not make or nmake or anything like that, and in certain aspects tricky to use.

So to begin you need your running copy of mmk on ITANIUM OpenVMS as well.

 

Do you have it?

 

If you can build your axis2-server component, you still need to fully debug it.

So the server is debugged, but loading modules and services, is very special on OpenVMS

as a sharable image is not the same as a DLL, and once loaded, can't be unloaded.

So there is a need to still do some more investigation and debugging.

 

This is as it is because we used only zlib, libxml2, axutil and axiom.exe (all shares) in our legacy server code.

 

And our main service is based on axis2-1.6.1/java which then passes a large OM (SOAP/XML) via a HP WSIT 3.5 kit,

as xml string into the legacy part, an out of process server. in the legacy C/ PASCAL part we re-constructs

(deserializes) the received xml string into a axiom OM (SOAP/XML) to be parsed and used by our legacy server

wrapper code.

 

In the next year, I plan to upgrade to a newer version of axis2/C, but right now, that is not an issue for me.

 

So let me know if you like that way to go or we can discuss what you like to do, maybe there are other solutions.

 

Josef

 

 

 

Von: Alex Mantaut [[hidden email]]
Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Mai 2013 20:24
An: Apache AXIS C User List
Betreff: Re: Downloading Axis2/c 1.6.0 - Also, OpenVMS anyone?

 

Hi Dave,

            Yes, the links on the page seem to be broken :( Can someone fix them??

             If you want 1.6 you can download it from the svn repository at:

 https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/axis/axis2/c/core/branches/c/1.6.x/1.6.0/c/

Regards

 

On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Moens, David B <[hidden email]> wrote:

I think I’m missing some important step trying to download Axis2/C 1.6.0. I’ve tried multiple mirrors and none of the download links for 1.6.0 seem to be valid. I have problem getting at 1.5.0 (haven’t tried earlier).

 

Also, I’m trying to download to attempt a port to OpenVMS Itanium. Has anyone else done this or similar and have any tips or caveats?

 

Dave

 




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+54 (11) 6040-4000  
MSN:
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